At the moment, I don't think there is any more that can usefully be said. We are like a NFL team lining up against a soccer team. Both teams say it is they that play football, but neither will recognise the rules by which the other plays. The soccer team says, We play football because we are not allowed to use our hands. The gridiron teams say, We play football because ... actually I'm not sure why they think they play football, but they do.

Until there is acceptance that both sides have a valid set of rules, the competition cannot really begin.