The Human Rights of Child Killers.

[Thorne]

Prison guards are not always better than the inmates.

Doesn't mean it's okay to kill them, does it?

However, I googled Albert Woodfox, one of the two prisoners in question, and I have to say that, in this case at least, there may be some merit in the "cruel and unusual" comments. His original conviction was for armed robbery, bad enough but not worth a life in prison, much less in solitary. And it MAY be that the conviction for killing the guard was politically motivated, and he MAY not have committed the crime. There is probably justification in reviewing the conviction, and possibly in overturning it. Even the victim's wife doesn't think Woodfox did it, which is pretty unusual.

So yes, in this case, it's possible that the solitary confinement might be wrong. That doesn't mean it would be wrong in every case. The original post didn't specify what kinds of prisoners these were, whether they were relatively well behaved or basically animals in cages. Yes, sometimes criminals really ARE bad people!

[thir]

Yes, sometimes criminals really ARE bad people!

Ahr, you are just saying that because it is true

[Thorne]

Ahr, you are just saying that because it is true

No, really! Statistics prove it!

[IAN 2411]

No, really! Statistics prove it!

I thought it was you that is always saying that you should not trust statistics, because they are normally out of date before they are published.

Be well IAN 2411

[Thorne]

I thought it was you that is always saying that you should not trust statistics, because they are normally out of date before they are published.

I would NEVER have said such a thing!

[IAN 2411]

I would NEVER have said such a thing!

Ok keep your hair on, i said i thought and not that it was you....there is no need to shout either.

Be well IAN 2411

[IAN 2411]

Yes, sometimes criminals really ARE bad people!

As a matter of interest, is there a case you know of where a criminal was not a bad person. I agree that a prisoner might not be a bad person, due to mistaken identity or the like, but a criminal in my book has to have committed a crime so he is bad by guilt.

Be well IAN 2411

[Thorne]

As a matter of interest, is there a case you know of where a criminal was not a bad person. I agree that a prisoner might not be a bad person, due to mistaken identity or the like, but a criminal in my book has to have committed a crime so he is bad by guilt.

Be well IAN 2411

I don't know of any specific cases off hand, but an example I've used in the past would be, for instance, a person who steals food to feed his children. Technically a crime, but a case of desperation in which a (probably) good person feels forced to commit a criminal act.

You also have to define your terms. Is a criminal someone who has committed a crime, or someone who has been convicted of a crime? We know there have been people in prison who were convicted wrongly, and later released. Are they criminals?

And there are cases of people being convicted of breaking unjust laws. In some states in the US a 16 year old boy having consensual sex with his 15 year old girl friend is committing a crime! Does that make him a criminal?