Diamondcontrol you make valid points, you're experience is obviously different from mine. But that is not surprising as life is complicated.

The fact that you know male subs who's submission is not sexual doesn't change the fact that for many subs their submission is sexual and emotional and the same can only be said for relatively few Dommes.

Don't get stuck on my use of the word sex, male subs are in many circumstances deemed not worthy of intimacy or a relationship of any kind beyond public play or a round of pain and humiliating domestic duties once in a while.

I think that it cannot be healthy for guys to to be hoping for something that they will never get.

Maybe it would be better all round if some subs stood up for themselves and refused to give their submission to Dommes who refused to acknowledge them as anything but a sub.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely! Maybe it would be better if we wrestled a little bit of power away from the Dommes as human beings with needs not as subs. Pipe dreams, nothing more.

It's never gonna happen but I don't see why this upsets people.

If I said the same about a female sub who was in relationship where her Dom didn't find her attractive.

If he expected expensive gifts, only used her for domestic duties and sent her packing before going to meet his vanilla girl friend you would probably all agree!

That scenario is appalling it stinks. It is pure exploitation on the guys part. The female sub should get shot of that guy as soon as possible and go and find a Dom who will adore her in all her submissive glory.

But when I change the genders. The reaction is well she is entitled to it and if the bloke is happy who am I to argue, so what if he wants more he should be happy getting something.........

There are double standards here.

There are many sub guys living unfulfilled lives and being exploited by women who use them to do the cleaning inflict a bit of pain and send them packing before she goes to meet her husband, female lover or Dom partner.

But this is seen as a positive thing not exploitation. 'You go girl', 'shes worth it' and 'he should consider himself lucky'.

Can you not see the hypocrisy in that??

Dragons Muse you are totally stuck on four words I used in everything I have written, which is allot as you can see. ALL and LIVING A LIE.

When I used the word 'all' I was referring to all men who desire more from women than Dom/sub. Guys who have a need of companionship, above and beyond their submission.

I agree maybe my use of the word ''all'' was not appropriate but considering the amount of words I have written, to grasp on to these 'four words' and not let go is to not see the woods for the trees.

I'm just a little cross dressing subbie boy and as such not infallible so don't condemn me for the use of four ever so slightly inappropriate words.

You keep talking about how I'm telling people they are ''living a lie''

I wasn't saying that at all, but to clarify my point I will retract that statement and put it another way.

Why go through life with you're emotional and sexual needs being unfulfilled, to do that is to live in a kind of limbo.

I can see I'm going to have to be very careful, if you guys are going to pick the odd line out of everything I write and accuse me of arrogance and sweeping generalizations.

But I realise how using the word ALL could be perceived. So I apologise for that but when I said ''why spend you're life living a lie'' it wasn't an accusation so much as a whimsical lament.