Receiving Body Fluids

[ThisYouWillDo]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. If you know cocaine won't affect someone who drinks the urine of an addict (did you say what your sources are?), it doesn't follow that all medications passing through the body are harmless.

I'd like to make the following observations on what's been said above:

First, healthy urine is sterile. But people on medication aren't healthy. Also, even if urine is sterile, it still contains body waste. Finally, the moment it leaves the body, it ceases to be sterile (but that's nitpicking ... it's as good as sterile for quite a while).

Next, even if medication passes through an otherwise healthy body and emerges in a "sterile" state, it still has, in most cases, the same chemical make up it had when it went in. That chemical make-up may be harmful to others, and for some medicines, especially the stronger ones, or those taken in large quantities, there may be sufficient residue discharged in urine to affect anyone ingesting it. (Large quantities in medicines are tiny amounts, by the way.)

Next, all medicines are designed to alter the patient's body condition: to make up for what isn't present, or to get rid of something that is. A healthy body doesn't need to be altered in that way. It does this usually by entering the blood stream. The blood stream gets everywhere, including the testes, for example, and it is there that it could affect the production of sperm.

Now, I know I have no more knowledge about this than any other tom, dom or harry, and that is why I have suggested pharmceutical advice. Or, as someone wisely said up above, to talk to a doctor (they've heard everything before and won't be fazed by the question: and they'll give a serious and informed answer). And I don't want to be a scaremonger either. If the medication is something that the receiver would normally take too, then why worry - e.g., asprin or paracetamol. But where the medicines are given in strong doses, or ar prescription-only drugs, or are for male-specific conditions, caution must be exercised.

Oh - and subs drinking the pee of Dommes should be considering this too. Otherwise m-subs might start developing breasts!

Compromise, in my view, is only good in some cases. The drug that the girl I referred to was concerned about turned out to be one that was very strong, male specific, and would affect females of child-bearing age (and harmful to male foetuses). It could also be absorbed through the skin on contact. I don't think compromise of the kind alluded to would have been sufficient. It must depend on the circumstances everytime.

TYWD

[TomOfSweden]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. If you know cocaine won't affect someone who drinks the urine of an addict (did you say what your sources are?), it doesn't follow that all medications passing through the body are harmless.

I'm not suggesting that in the least. It's just that my mind is full of these little nuggets of worthless knowledge. If I don't share god has threatened to kill kittens. Please think of the kittens.

No I didn't, but my sources are BBC science and nature. I can't find the article again. Their search engine sucks. There was an article they ran on measuring cocaine use in cities. An Italian scientist came up with a nifty method of measuring metabolised cocaine, (Benzoylecgonine) in sewage. So they could easily measure cocaine use even quite localy. It was two years ago I think. They checked the pipes that lead out of the EU parliment in Brussels and found a absolutely fantastic amount of metabolised cocaine. The first experiment was done in the Po river in Italy and it was quite a high reading but northern Italian cities seem to do most in Europe. Hardly surprising. I remember reading a later article about the same guy doing the same experiment in USA, but in the states it's not as sinful to do drugs so nobody gave a shit.

[ThisYouWillDo]

Ah ... I didn't realise this would eventually become a kitten thing. I like little pussies, so I'm on your side, Tom.

I agree about the BBC search engine; but isn't the website itself fantastic? You won't find that stuff on NPR's pages.

I'm tickled pink about the debate I've started, but I think readers must not get things out of perspective.

Pee drinking is cool and a real submissive gesture. Most medicines, when they leave a person's body aren't going to harm you at all. Even strong medicines probably won't if you only drink the pee once or twice, or in small amounts - I'm not in a position to say this authoritatively, but it's what I believe. What gives me the willies tho, and it should concern everyone who does this, is that some medicines have profound effects - and no-one here seems to know which (isn't there a single Quack into bdsm who can comment???). I have described the possible effects of one very strong drug, and if I were the girl in question, her master's pee would be the drink I'd have only after I'd finished the last drop of prussic acid there was in the world!

[B][I]All I want is for people to be careful. This site believes in "informed consent" I take it. Just make sure you are informed. [B][I]And I think it's the duty of the Dom/giver to find out, not the poor sub/receiver. It's probably be easier for him too.

So, after all that, cheers, sante, prost, slainte mhath, or (probably the best toast) Bottoms Up!

TYWD