I must say from the get go that my opinion is mine alone and it does not demean anybody. If you feel insulted, the following thought was NOT meant to do that rather, just my thoughts on submissives with low self-esteem.

I believe a true submissive defacto has low self-esteem...it is illogical for me to understand a sub that hasn't taken that one his/herself.

I had a friend murdered by her husband a few years ago. I commented, "How could he have done that?" The investigating detective commented, "You can't understand because you're not a criminal--you're not wired to think that way."

I surmise that's why I can't see a submissive without low self-esteem--just can't think that way. That being said, I don't look down on submissives but realize that their perception of self must be taken into account not just in our relationship but in life in general.

I have high self-esteem--no brag, just fact. It doesn't happen naturally but I work and succedd at what I want. If I fail, and I really want to do, attain, become something, I keep trying.

Cheers,
Boxer