the story of Our Lady "the Virgin Mary" in the muslims holly book (quran)

[nerameshu]

Look, all I can say (as an Agnostic in his 20's) is that the only words in the Bible I believe to be "true to God" are the words spoken by Jesus Christ. The rest of the Bible? Well, before Jesus enters the scene, it was about sex and sacrificing lambs to get to Heaven. (Genesis, the first book, is God's Earth Creation To-Do list and the genealogy of the first tribe, descended from Adam and Eve.) After Jesus, the Bible is nothing more than musings of men on the word of God.

domaster, I have yet to read more than a few pages of the Qu'ran, and for that, I apologize. I cannot hold much of a first-hand conversation with you, because I'm not well versed in the Holy Book. (Although, I can speak a little Arabic, and I would love to here the Qu'ran read by a native speaker.) However, if I may suggest it, could you, perhaps, read the words spoken only by Mohammed, followed by the words spoken only by Jesus in the Bible, and see what you think? Again, if I may suggest it. I'm not trying to sway you to one side or the other.

Final notes: I wasn't raised in a religious house-hold. I see flaws in every system of belief, including, and especially, Atheism. However, I can, and will, respect all peoples' beliefs, as your beliefs are your right. But when talking about a religion, philosophy, or life-path, look not at the hateful people around you. Look to the message of that system's main human.

Also, being raised in the Bible Belt, I do not know many Christians who would love too many people at all. In fact, most of them hate me, through and through. But the few Muslims I have talked to are not only the most respectful people I know, but they have promised to go out of their way just to teach me about Islam, should I ask them to.

[Thorne]

Look, all I can say (as an Agnostic in his 20's) is that the only words in the Bible I believe to be "true to God" are the words spoken by Jesus Christ.

NONE of the Gospels are contemporary accounts of Jesus. ALL were written long after his death, and probably not by his disciples. There is enough contradiction between the four gospels to raise suspicions of all of them. There is certainly no historical evidence outside of the bible that Jesus (as depicted in the gospels) even existed. So how can his "words" be "true to God"?

I see flaws in every system of belief, including, and especially, Atheism.

This one drives me nuts! Atheism is NOT a system of belief. It is a LACK of belief in gods. It's that simple. A rather bad analogy (but the only one I can come up with at the moment) is that Atheism is a belief like NOT collecting stamps is a hobby. Do atheists have flaws? Of course they do! I know I do! But those flaws are NOT necessarily related to their lack of belief in supernatural beings.

[denuseri]

NONE of the Gospels are contemporary accounts of Jesus. ALL were written long after his death, and probably not by his disciples. There is enough contradiction between the four gospels to raise suspicions of all of them. There is certainly no historical evidence outside of the bible that Jesus (as depicted in the gospels) even existed. So how can his "words" be "true to God"?


This one drives me nuts! Atheism is NOT a system of belief. It is a LACK of belief in gods. It's that simple. A rather bad analogy (but the only one I can come up with at the moment) is that Atheism is a belief like NOT collecting stamps is a hobby. Do atheists have flaws? Of course they do! I know I do! But those flaws are NOT necessarily related to their lack of belief in supernatural beings.

LMAO

It's not the aethiests that are nessesarally so flawed Thorne, but the idea of aethism itself.