Is Obama a Socialist?

[Kendal]

Are you trying to suggest what he is on the basis of what his parents may or may not have been. That's a dangerous road to go down... sins of the father are vested in the son. We talked about this in another topic.

He met, read, knows, been influenced by socialists and communists. Yes, so what. I read Mein Kampf, does that make me fascist. Are politi'c's like contagious diseases - shake a man's hand and you catch his politics. If the President of the United States of America offered you his hand would you refuse that hand.

Would it not be better to look at what the man himself says rather than looking at what church his mother went to. Seems to me like political profiling or a McCarthy type evidence of a man's political beliefs. I once danced with a woman who danced with a man who danced with a communist.

Personally I hope he has socialists tendencies - if not he is in the wrong job as a left wing President. Dems are left yes. Socialism is the counterbalance to capitalism. What do want a ying without a yang. For me suggesting a left wing democrat is a communist is like suggesting a right wing republican is a fascist. If Obama is Stalin then McCain is Hitler.

The poor in every undeveloped country are socialist. The fact his "father advised government to redistribute income through higher taxes" is in my view a plus point. Most African bureaucrats steal from the poor to feather their own nest and become the rich. Looks like Obama Snr. wanted to steal from the corrupt rich to give to the poor. Good on him.

[steelish]

Would it not be better to look at what the man himself says rather than looking at what church his mother went to.

I guess you didn't click on every posted link, because he shows his Socialist beliefs in his own words.

It's one thing to have a liberal left wing President...it's another to have one who ignores the entire right and plows ahead with his own agenda. With him as President, there is no Yin/Yang. There's only Yin.

[Kendal]

I guess you didn't click on every posted link, because he shows his Socialist beliefs in his own words.

No I did not click on the links because I would not be surprised if he held socialist beliefs. In fact I expect him to. Most left wing politicians in Europe (including current and previous UK PM) have some socialist beliefs. So what.

If you just kept to the links then fine no problem. But you did not. You went on at great length in a long list about his mom and pop and what church they went to and what pop did in Nairobi etc etc etc etc. My post was address at the relevance of that - not the links.

[DuncanONeil]

You believe that Government ownership and/or control of everything is good for the country? You cite European countries as the example of that position? Yet the fact that those countries are trending downward provides no concern?
Why must the USofA be like Europe?? The major problem with you view, socialism counterbalances capitalism, is that socialism also counterbalances liberty. That is most definately not a good thing!!

If so desire to live under the auspices of socialism perhaps you would be better served to choose a residence where such is already the manner of operation.

No I did not click on the links because I would not be surprised if he held socialist beliefs. In fact I expect him to. Most left wing politicians in Europe (including current and previous UK PM) have some socialist beliefs. So what.

If you just kept to the links then fine no problem. But you did not. You went on at great length in a long list about his mom and pop and what church they went to and what pop did in Nairobi etc etc etc etc. My post was address at the relevance of that - not the links.

[steelish]

No I did not click on the links because I would not be surprised if he held socialist beliefs. In fact I expect him to. Most left wing politicians in Europe (including current and previous UK PM) have some socialist beliefs. So what.

If you just kept to the links then fine no problem. But you did not. You went on at great length in a long list about his mom and pop and what church they went to and what pop did in Nairobi etc etc etc etc. My post was address at the relevance of that - not the links.

So you think how someone is raised has absolutely no bearing on how they turn out or what they believe in?

He continues to live/think the way his parents did.

[DuncanONeil]

If you read "Mein Kampf", more power to you. But in the case of Obama it is not one book. It is a lifetime of association. There is evidence that the values of any given person are set by the time they are ten. Of course that is not set in concrete, but in this case the beliefs of the Presidents youth are mirrored by his associations in adulthood.
We are not presented with an aberration in his belief system but a compendium of a large set that all is of a kind.

Government control of everything is not a counterbalance to anything. Least of all Capitalism!

Are you trying to suggest what he is on the basis of what his parents may or may not have been. That's a dangerous road to go down... sins of the father are vested in the son. We talked about this in another topic.

He met, read, knows, been influenced by socialists and communists. Yes, so what. I read Mein Kampf, does that make me fascist. Are politi'c's like contagious diseases - shake a man's hand and you catch his politics. If the President of the United States of America offered you his hand would you refuse that hand.

Would it not be better to look at what the man himself says rather than looking at what church his mother went to. Seems to me like political profiling or a McCarthy type evidence of a man's political beliefs. I once danced with a woman who danced with a man who danced with a communist.

Personally I hope he has socialists tendencies - if not he is in the wrong job as a left wing President. Dems are left yes. Socialism is the counterbalance to capitalism. What do want a ying without a yang. For me suggesting a left wing democrat is a communist is like suggesting a right wing republican is a fascist. If Obama is Stalin then McCain is Hitler.

The poor in every undeveloped country are socialist. The fact his "father advised government to redistribute income through higher taxes" is in my view a plus point. Most African bureaucrats steal from the poor to feather their own nest and become the rich. Looks like Obama Snr. wanted to steal from the corrupt rich to give to the poor. Good on him.