Quote Originally Posted by denuseri View Post
I guess your choosing to allow your own misconseptions about how the church itself interpets its own theological doctrine and or your own agenda of converting everyone to be atheist to rule your preceptions then Thorne.
I'm not trying to convert anyone. Which would be silly anyway since one cannot convert to atheism. It's simply a non-belief in gods. I'm not interested in making anyone turn from their gods. I'm just asking them to think, that's all.
Are you saying the church doesnt promote harmonious unions between husband and wife?
Harmonious, possibly. But not equal. For the major religions, the woman is a second-class member, at best.
No ones making you join any religious organization or live by its rules are they?
LOL! I doubt any of them would want me, to be honest. But I have no doubt it happens, especially among young teens who are pressured by their friends.
The ultimate arbitrator on what any paticular theology is all about would be it's followers anyway. If they don't like those interpetations of their church leadership I am sure they will find a new religion to follow, or establish a new sect within thier current one.
Which kind of puts a crimp in the "One True Religion" idea, doesn't it?
On this paticular topic, that being a vicar promoting a piece of the church in question's doctrine for women to submit to their husbands; I fail to see what the big deal is.
Except that his church leaders are distancing themselves from his archaic pronouncements.
(which as I have been tuaght to understand means mutual respect being established within a hierarchial framwork bewteen partners so that the two will be in harmony in the fashion that god intended them to be in)
And who decides just what God intended? Oh, that's right: That same Vicar who made that idiotic announcement! Among others like him.
Is that all that different from the position of evolutionary biologists?
Absolutely! Evolutionary biologists work from evidence, not from fairy tales.
I have to wonder why you think its so horrible thing for a woman to submit to her husband.
I don't think it's horrible, if that is what she want's to do. I think it's horrible for a religious leader to declare that it's what she must do.
I also have to wonder : Are you also saying that a slave or submissive then shouldnt submit in similar fashion to her master or dominnat ?
Again, not if that's what she, or he, want's to do.

Let me ask you this? If your Master sold you to another Master, one you didn't like, would you willingly submit to that Master? Simply because he's a Master?