The Death Penalty or Life Meaning Life

[MMI]

How can you say they have rights that have to be respected, they should lose their rights at the same time they took away the right of another to live.

That's one opinon. It goes against the principle of the European Convention on Human Rights, and because of that, it will have to remain no more than an opinion. Fortunately, I would add.

Demean.

To reduce somebody to a much lower status in a humiliating way, degrades.

Who the hell care if the killer that is being executed is degraded, humiliated, or feels that his status is lowered; and I am damn sure that England’s last hangman, [Pierpoint] never once felt that way and neither would I. And I very much doubt that all those people, that go and witness the executions of the killers of their loved ones in the States, would agree with you either. They don’t go to humiliate the killer, they go to see justice and get closure.

I know what the words I use mean, thank-you. I was more concerned about the demeaning of a society which imposes the death penalty in the name of justice than I was for the feelings of the killer. But the killer still has basic rights and a just society will not take them away. Britain is a just society and will not bring back judicial murder to quieten reactionary calls for revenge on the part of the victims and their families.

You must have a very misguided view of mankind, because I don’t think you have a clue what you’re talking about ... . You are now speaking not for yourself but for all of mankind, and it is a careless remark at the least.

From my perspective, calls for blood-justice are out-dated, counter-productive and not to be countenanced under any circumstances. I don't make that remark casually: I truly belive it. Once again, it is pleasing to note that every government in the EU subscribes to a similar point of view, and people are not being executed to avenge a victim's death, no matter how badly relatives lust after the killer's death.

Well MMI that has shot your theory that no one involved in murders wants the death penalty as revenge and retribution. You also said that relatives would never want a life for a life, but normal people are not as forgiving as you, and when they are hurt, they want to hurt back. I would also like to point out to you that this is the actual murder that i was refering to in my original post in this thread. Good timing or what? All that we have to do is find out which TV channal her murderer will be watching inbetween his three top class meals that he will be getting for the next 12 - 15 years. Then we can give him some rehabilitation money and send if off to get upset and kill again.

Regards ian 2411

How so? Mr Iqbal is asking for revenge but disguising it as a call for justice. As you clearly have a fascination for the meaning of words, why not compare "justice" with "revenge" to see if they are synonymous.

One other thing, I would ask you not to attribute hare-brained notions to me in order to expose them as unsupportable. I never said no one involved in murders wants the death penalty as revenge and retribution (in fact it seems to me that those who do want it are seeking revenge and retribution), nor did I say relatives would never want a life for a life. What I did say was that a life for a life would not satisfy them, they would yearn for more.