Quote Originally Posted by denuseri View Post
as a side bar to the thread i am just curious what all think about thier canidates abilities or knowledge levels to step up on these things as they are some things i consider when choosing a cantidate
I'm not sure how much it matters. But, I think that John McCain is more pragmatic than Barack Obama; if you imagine that the President sits there and decides what he wants the country to do, and then has the country go do it... then I think I'd pick John McCain. To be real though - I'm pretty sure that "president" is what we call our national speech-giver/hand-shaker. I don't think there is any autonomous authority in the job.

Quote Originally Posted by denuseri
what does everyone think we will have to do to survive?
A good book for people interested in this would be Endgame (free mostly complete version <here>), by Derrick Jensen. I'm quite fond of it, but as a word of caution, it explicitly is written to preach to the choir - if you're not already certain that human civilization is doomed to eco-Malthusian collapse, it probably won't interest you. The book doesn't spend one line trying to convince you of this impending catastrophe. Either you see it coming, or you don't.

I think that is exactly the right way to handle it too - if when you look around you, you don't see civilization in its death throes, I do not believe I could possibly convince you to see what it looks like to me... and honestly, I hope every day that I'm wrong.