Quote Originally Posted by fantassy
You're right we do mostly agree.


You say its a lie, not a belief; I say they believe in a lie. Therefore they fight for a false belief.
Well I don't think we'll reach an agreement here, but that's okay.


The problem, as I see it, is we don't know/agree on what the basic "beliefs" of the Bible are. "Thou shalt not kill" means what exactly? I cannot kill ever? I can only kill in self defense? I cannot have an abortion? I can only kill doctors who perform abortions? Each of these is a "belief" someone derives from those four simple words.
You're right, it's ambiguous, but the overall message of the Bible - (especially the New Testament) is one of forgiveness and peace. Those that use Thou shalt not kill as a tool for violence or to repress other's freedoms are twisting the ideal into something they can use.

Personally, I only have one guiding "belief" - "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
I believe in that myself. Well...mostly anyway. After all I don't want my sub taking the whip to me.

See, if you encourage me, I'll never shut up.
Great!