Thorne and mkemse great posts even after the conservative water carrier brought out the all-too erroneous assertions that are the hallmark of their ilk. When the facts are not too your liking, change them.

The patriot angle is getting very old. With the current president he talks about patriotism and supporting the troops while taking away veteran's benefits and going back on his word to soldiers, making them do longer and longer tours to conduct his illegal and unjust War.

He is even now trying to protect himself and his conies from being prosecuted for the crimes he has committed by spying on Americans and ignoring the Constitution, vastly unAmerican ideals.

I for one am an American who loves his country, And loving the president is NOT the same thing. When that president decides to ignore the will of the people and to try to build a petty dictatorship within our boundaries, then I am a patriot who wants my country back.

And the ludicrous assumption that Liberalism equals Communism is just drivel, I mean come on. Putin is a hardline Communist and he and Bush are, sadly, cut from the same throat. No comparison with Liberal ideals at all.

And I applaud The two towns in Vermont. Sometiems symbolic gestures are all you have. With a corrupt administration and a do-nothing Congress what else do we have available to us.