Quote Originally Posted by wmrs2 View Post
mkemse, I know you can do better in writing because of that excellent report you did on the Patriot Act. Slow down. This is not world war here, just a debate.

First, we have not said a Liberal cannot be a patriot. He certainly can be. But since a Liberal, Communist, or S*****ist are all the same words and generally employ the same logical system used by Communism, dictatorships, and what democrats (not Democrat party) consider to be a poor logical system, when you as a Liberal or Communists act upon your logic, you are automatically at odds with American values mentioned in the Constitution of the USA.

I know this is a mouth full. Read what I said again so as to not misunderstand what has been said. Since I know you are good at research, you can search out the specifics of the Liberal and Communist logic. You will find that German philosopher is the author of the logical system used by Communism and Liberals. When the Communist used this system it was called the Communist dialectic. It was originally called Hegelian logic. The reason people are insulted when it is pointed out that they think like a Liberal is because Hegelian logic has been used by the world's most evil rulers. You will read about these facts if you care to read about Hegelian logic. You will discover that Hegelian logic says truth does not exist such as any absolute. What appears to be true today will not be true a year from now or even a day from now. Like the Communist dialectic says what is true today has an antithesis tomorrow and the next day a synthesis. Truth is like an organism, it grows and changes. When Liberal Judge interpret the Constitution of the USA they believe the Constitution is alive and changes. To them self evident truths that our forefathers wrote about in 1775 and on are not now the same. When Obama told that cock and bull story about the American soldiers taking weapons from the Taliban and using these weapons, every military person in the world knew he was telling a lie. It was so stupid. NBC the very next day said that the fact that Obama lied was alright because he was trying to explain a greater truth.

Aristotelian logic is what logic is the Constitution is based upon. It is based upon absolute knowledge. This is truth that does not change. Conservatives believe the Constitution should be interpreted "strictly" and claim that the Liberal interpretation is re-writing the Constitution. That is why Conservatives do not want a Liberal judge appointed to the Supreme Court.

Have you ever had these things explained to you? I will look forward to future, friendly conversations with you and your friends. We all might learn something. I would really like to understand what value you see in being a Liberal. So read about Liberalism and get back with us.
to answer your question:

Liberalism refers to a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal.[1] Liberalism has its roots in the Middle Ages and Age of Enlightenment.

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Different forms of liberalism may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy, and a transparent system of government.[2] All liberals — as well as some adherents of other political ideologies — support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.[3]

Liberalism rejected many foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, and established religion. Social progressivism, the belief that traditions do not carry any inherent value and social practices ought to be continuously adjusted for the greater benefit of humanity, is a common component of liberal ideology. Liberalism is also strongly associated with the belief that human society should be organized in accordance with certain unchangeable and inviolable rights. Different schools of liberalism are based on different conceptions of human rights, but there are some rights that all liberals support to some extent, including rights to life, liberty, and property.

Within liberalism, there are two major currents of thought that often compete over the use of the term "liberal" and have been known to clash on many issues, as they differ on their understanding of what constitutes freedom. Classical liberals, believe that the provision of negative rights, that is freedom from coercion alone, constitutes freedom.[4] As a result they see state intervention in the economy as a coercive power that restricts freedom when enforced coercively by law, emphasize laissez-faire economic policy, and oppose the welfare state.[5] Social liberals argue that freedom from economic as well as physical coercion is necessary for real freedom. They generally favor such positive rights as the right to vote, the right to an education, the right to health care, and the right to a living wage. Some also favor laws against discrimination in housing and employment, laws against pollution of the environment, and the provision of welfare, including unemployment benefit and housing for the homeless, all supported by progressive taxation

Communism is a form of government which attempts to empower workers and eliminate social class. Its socioeconomic structure promotes the establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.[1] It is usually considered a branch of the broader so******t movement that draws on the various political and intellectual movements that trace their origins back to the work of theorists of the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution[2]. Communism attempts to offer an alternative to the problems believed to be inherent with representative democracy, capitalist economies and the legacy of imperialism and colonialism. The dominant forms of communism, such as Leninism, Trotskyism and Luxemburgism, are based on Marxism. Karl Marx is sometimes known as the "father of Communism", but non-Marxist versions of communism (such as Christian communism and anarchist communism) also exist.


Based on the above definition it seems to me that Liberalism or Liberls are 100% the opposite of Communisim or Communists, Liberals seek change Communist deny it in all stages as stated above, the only thing they have in common is humanity and Communists even opress humanity in their counbtir, i do not see much Freedom In Cuba, Or North korea, Or to a lesser Extend Russia, all of which are noted Communitst Countries, they do not have Freedom Of Speeech, Expression even their Media is govenrnent owed and or at least operated
At least in this Country minus a few things NOT gurnteed by the united States Contitution as Freedom Of Speech peole here are free to say as they wish and not worry about going to jail for it
But remember in the United States are are 2 or 3 things that can NOT be said in pubilic as they are NOT covered by our Freedom of Speech Laws here