Again, I ask, what the fuck are you on about? As a poor ccountry preacher, maybe you couldn't afford the part of the logic lessons you attended that dealt with sticking to the point.

My "playhouse" wasn't shaken by your powers of persuasion, your profundity or perspicacity, but by simple puzzlement. I just didn't understand what that phrase (the one I'd quoted) meant. But I've sussed it now so don't bother explaining.

Meanwhile, I'm happy for you to attack liberalism (and socia1ism and communism if you want to. I doubt you'd criticise right wing extremists, but I'm happy for you to do that too.) That's what makes these threads so much fun! However, unless you're George Bush in disguise, my last post was not an attack on you, but a repudiation of what you had said.

The quotation you seem to refer to were your very own words, so I cannot see how you can blame me for using "fear tactics". Look to yourself for that.

But tell me, what makes you think that the right wing has the monopoly on logic and of dispassionate reasoning? In what way are they denied to liberals and communists? Was not Das Kapital an eminently reasoned work?

Thank you for giving me the Blue Dog Democrats: I shall always treasure them. What do I do with them?

Why is it more likely that a liberal would lie to me than a conservative? My experience of politcians of every hue is that they lie like dogs, or contort the truth so they can say they didn't lie. From Mussolini on the right to Stalin on the left, they are ALL liars. Even the ones in the middle - Nixon, Bush, Thatcher, Blair, cared more for power than for honest-to-God truth. Nixon lied about Watergate, Thatcher about the Belgrano, Bush about WMD's and Saddam's giving aid and succour to bin Laden, Blair about the same thing. Of course they told other lies too, but those are the big ones.

Your soldiers and my soldiers have not died in defence of freedom. If you believe that, you've swallowed another politician's lie. Tell me how Saddam threatened US freedom, or British freedom. Those soldiers died because Bush and Blair were afraid Iraq would come under Russian of Chinese influence - and then where would the oil go? So they put a stop to that before it started, by invading a country that presented no threat and had made no attempt to attack America or Britain. They were never interested in relieving the Iraqi people from the tyranny they had been under - that was another lie. After the invasion, the country collapsed into pure anarchy, and in between killing each other, the Iraqi's amused themselves by taking pot shots at the occupying forces.

wrms: we all need to have the ideas we have accepted without logical review challenged by others. In politics, it is even more important because our nation's fate may depend on sound understandings aout Communist and Liberal thought processes. Don't you agree?
Yes. But I don't agree with the inference that communist/liberal thought processes will result in a fate worse than death for you.

TYWD