Quote Originally Posted by ThisYouWillDo View Post

Furthermore, I'm not sure we're considering what moves the prime mover. Only the notion of divine perfection. Is that different?
Aristotle has this all covered. It hinges on the assumption that a pot can never make a potter. According to the prime mover has by necessity be perfect since the harmony of nature is in such perfect balance. Thomas Aquinas explored this extensively. Darwin cracked it, so now Aristotle's theory isn't necessarily the only logical way to go. Philosophy is still exploring where Darwin's new paradigm of thought will take us.

Quote Originally Posted by ThisYouWillDo View Post
I don't think any modern religion - even fundamentalist ones - thinks that reasoning about the nature of God is heretical, although it might be concerned that heretical ideas could result from "incorrect" reasoning. But I don't think we should let that stop us. Do you?

TYWD
If you read various histories of monotheism you'd be surprised. Thinking it's morally okay to reason about the nature of god is fairly modern. It's historically been frowned upon. Karen Armstrong's "History of God" is a good one to read about that. In Islam, I forget his name. But the main Islamic philosopher in the Wahabist branch of Islamic thought did extensively argue that it was heretical. It was/is fanatically anti-science.

I don't believe in heresy or hell so I'm not bound by any constrictions to argue about anything.