Looking at the last few posts, its easy to see that the old saying is true, "different strokes for different folks".

Heck, I love a good spanking, there's no reason for me to be punished to enjoy it. However, I don't like or enjoy a hard spanking. That's just me.

"What you enjoy is right for you," said master_kyrk1.

Agreed. So while I may enjoy a nice spanking and want to use it as part of play, Kaori-san may only want a spanking during a punishment.

"But to afflict pain just for the heck of it..." said Bald_J_and_F.

I think that "afflicting pain just for the heck of it" isn't about mutual pleasure. It's more about being selfish.

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Side note -- Advice not requested

"This scene was far more intense in every sense. yet she orgasmed in it or came very very close she says she did not eveyone else says she did. Then becasue she enjoyed it so much and had a achieved a happy spot she fell asleep..."

Side with your woman. If she says she didn't, then she didn't. She's the only one who really knows for sure.