Quote Originally Posted by SubmissiveDoll View Post
The reason I say abuse is because in that article it's clearly laid out on how to deal with it when the slave begs to be released. Begs! Umm... she had her basement remodeled to be more sound proof so that her neighbors couldn't hear her slave screaming!?

Sure, humiliation, toilet slavery, and even being left alone in the dark. I have no issues with what anyone might be happy with. Honestly, just because it's not for me, doesn't mean that it doesn't make someone happy.

But, when the sub is literally begging to be let go... I think you have crossed a very serious line. Not to mention when you can take pictures and notes on their declining health. While it may be opinion based... this is just wrong.
This slave finds it alarming that there was no mention of a safeword. Many times in play, subs and/or slaves will beg to be let go, or beg that they not be "hurt". A rough sex/kidnapping scene would use such begging. No where in the article does the writer mention a safeword. Had there been one, there would have been no doubt as to whether or not the toiletslave wanted out.

Quote Originally Posted by hopperboo View Post
I am gravely disturbed by this. God.

I think this happens to many, many in the Lifestyle. (Submissives and slaves I mean). Not being aware they are being abused, or even the fact that they think they deserve to be treated poorly.

They may believe they get off on it, when really...they don't know how to handle someone who truly loves them.

Treating someone "very badly" and hurting someone emotionally in any way possible (or "whatever way he can") at every turn is something I consider abuse.

Perhaps my abuse meter is off, or perhaps I need to be more open about abuse being good for someone.

I can understand humiliation in play, but if the person truly believes I am piece of shit and treats me badly then that crosses the line into abuse. If I believe I am nothing but an piece of trash to be thrown away until he/she gets bored...then there is something wrong with not only myself for feeling that dispassionate about myself, but also with the other person who has no love for human feelings, nor caring if someone is hurt. (And I am not talking about physical hurt, or a moment of play for humiliation, I am talking about someone who damages another's mind and view their self...altering it in a way that makes them believe they are nothing and they don't matter in this world).

Which it sounds like in the article the person was doing. A person can refer to another as an object in play and believe it, then a person can refer to a person as an object in life...and believe it. There is a HUGE difference there.
Degradation and humiliation should always be followed (after the scene) by the Master/Dominant making sure his/her slave is emotionally stable. This slave hopes that the writer was simply creating a bit of fiction. If not, she deserves to be investigated.

Quote Originally Posted by delia View Post
Two words: Common sense.

The thing about lifestyle is that people blur the lines between fantasy & reality.

Walking the line in BDSM activities can be an absolutely amazing experience in some cases, but oftentimes without proper training, knowledge, or forethought, experiences that walk the line can turn abusive or disasterous.

Walking the line between fantasy & reality in writing can also be erotic for some, but the issue is that other people may read it as reality... take EVERYTHING YOU READ with a grain of salt & use that common sense check: does it just seem too ridiculous to be true? IT PROBABLY IS!

As for abuse... there have been more threads written on it, and more opinions given about situations then I can count. It really is a case-by-case issue, though, and any "cookie cutter" response is probably not appropriate for any one situation. Abuse is, plain and simple, wrong. If you think you're in an abusive situation, get help.

However....

Often in Lifestyle, some activities people would perceive to be abuse aren't to the people doing the activities; verbal humiliation, degredation, objectification, scarification... for some, it is how they are aroused. For others, it would be pure torture. You know yourself best... if you think it's torture, then don't do it. If you say "no," and your partner continues, it's abuse.
Again; safeword. Using a safeword leaves absolutely no doubt that the slave has had enough - time to stop.

In this slave's opinion, the woman who wrote the story (if it is indeed true) is not a dominant or a Mistress. What she is, is a cruel female bully. Regardless of whether or not her "slaves" enjoy the treatment, she should have a greater appreciation of them. And for her to push them through "stage 2" is absolutely horrid.

If these men truly wish to be full toilet slaves, she could easily take a gentler approach and eventually get the same devoted slave.

Master has trained this slave to be His piss slave. Her transformation was gradual and as a result, very satisfying and arousing. This slave has been gifted with a very creative and understanding Master. Unfortunately for the slaves the woman has captured, they will never know the joy of giving themselves freely in service to their owner. Nor will she experience what it is like to have a slave who does so. What a pity for all of them.