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Think my post didn't get the messege across that i wanted.

Gor rooms and the fantasy is no replacement for bdsm but it is a part of BDSM. The BD part. BDSM is a reality, Gor can only be in certain aspects. Its more of a philosophy based on Ancient cultures and loosely on Nietzche.

Yes people have a choice, in Gor that choice is to have total control taken away over everything, no safe words nothing. That is the choice you make and yes you can change it. That usually means being dissed and leaving. Being marked as a "player".

So if you want to be taken seriously as a Gorean then you cant just be mouthy and disrespectful ..... is what i was trying to say ...... It annoys the hell out of Goreans. I know however that the reality of it is that some will do the mouthy disrespectful bit, just dont expect to be respected after it is all I am saying. It shows if you are truely into Gor or not.

As for the pain issue, yeah there are lots of examples of pain giving, but the pain receiving is not the fetish, its not enjoyed, its not used as a sexual gratification. Its used as punishment and as a control...... I was warning ppl that if they want the online whipping scene, or pain scene, dont go to Gor chat and be naughty expecting a good session. It wont happen. Unless you find a BDSM partner there. If you are looking for pain and expect a good flogging for being disobedient, dont you will more than likely get an essay to write on your wrong doings. Not much fun huh. LOL. The forced piercings were the ears and nose only. No other areas were pierced. The training is not beatings, piercings and brandings. Its about control and disapline. Being able to portray yourself in complete disapline and absolute beauty is the key. Brandings were not given to make the slave cream there silks. Its given to mark the skin, to show others you are slave. Its done to let the slave know there is no turning back and to get used to it. Pain in Gor is to produce absolute fear not make you so horny you like it and beg for more. A gorean slave is more likely to beg NOT to be whipped.

Yeah Gor should be taken for what it is a philosophy that has its flaws, and when you ask about those flaws they get very annoyed. Some ppl will argue that Gor can be taken into real life. My question to them is ...... Do you feel total fear for your life in this situation? Do you fear your Master putting a sword through your belly cos you did something wrong? Do you fear being thrown in the local canal cos you spilt a drink? ........ If you get your arse whipped too much for your liking can you run and complain about it without the fear of being caught and put in exactly the same situation or having your hamstrings cut so you cant walk? ...... A fantasy, not reality. You cant even expect to fully understand Slavery unless you have experienced it and the laws of this land make that illegal. Only certain aspects can be placed into reality and there are many web sites on this issue.

I agree Gor should not be used as a BDSM bible. Its not. Its a series of science fiction books with one persons idea on a philosophy. If someone believes in that philosophy, then Gor is for you. Just dont ask too many questions lol.

And all "real" dominants should have some common sense, but they don't. The first and foremost concern of any real dominant should be the safety of his submissive. So, placing one's slave in an atmosphere of non-consesuality, even if it's an assumed atmosphere of non-consensuality, demonstrates a lack of concern for that slave, doesn't it? To assume that a slave should just submit to the whims of her master and like it, regardless of the consequence is completely deranged and egotistical.

In the books the main character actually killed a Master for being cruel. There is a limit as you say and the books clearly show it if you are looking . The trust between Master and slave is such that they can put total concent in that Masters hand. Its not a lack of concern, its a point of total trust, in the online and real life scene. The books its not trust at all, its all to do with disapline, if ya good you survive, if ya bad your dead.

Contracts, negotiations, limits, and safewords do not exist in the "true Gorean lifestyle," and because of that Goreans violate yet another of the tested tenets of the BDSM foundation: Safety. In the SSC system, not negotiating limits and not having a way out of a situation if it becomes dangerous or too intense is unsafe play. In the RACK system, one cannot consensually submit to the risks if they are not first apprised of those risks and offered a chance to set a limit. There again, the Gorean fantasy aspect trumps the reality of the situation. A submissive that is not allowed to say no and have that word respected is in a dangerous and unhealthy place. She may find herself dead one day because of her fantasy.

I will repeat this, the Gorean scene is about disapline, its not about titty torture or cbt etc. I put my total trust in my husband because he is into the Gor scene. He is about seeing the beauty in women. Not about whipping them till they die. I know for a fact that he will not beat the crap out of me cos thats not what I am into. I like the thought of being colared, leashed, bound. I like being dominated. The Gorean reality is different to the books. It has to be. I agree in a torture or pain enviroment that there is no replacement for the safe word and if one is not established then both partners are being careless and dangerous. Gor in the books does not portray a scene it is a world were pain and its manifistations are used as control over a population of slaves. Exactly the same way it was used in Ancient Rome and in "very sadly" the USA prior to the civil war.

Gor as a lifestyle is more about the command and domination. How that command can be followed with beauty and perfection. It is a valid scene within BDSM ...... I dont like too much pain. In fact I dont like much at all. Yet I dont sit here saying those that do should be put in a mental hospital. Its their thing and say ..... have extreme fun with it.

Perhaps I am lucky and found a partner who has taken the things from Gor that can be put into reality and left the fantasy for the role playing online and in the books. Logic has its place in all things, even love, sex and war. No Gorean slave would be stupid enough to annoy their Masters so bad that they would be killed for it. A Gorean Master did not have to dominate through the whip, it is done through will.